Laws to limit damage to persons on the internet

With one little word I can fell him !













I think Parliament could do a lot to restore sense by
-- ensuring all participants can be identified as persons and in that way make the system accountable and self regulating.
- doing what FB did before and open it up , not close it down
--encouraging all authors ,groups and sites to do their own regulating.. 
- to advise all readers where their authors have gone when they get cancelled   
--to not get into a panic about this delicate matter
--not necessarily forcing host agencies to regulate BUT to insist groups do their own . 
- to not expect AI will resolve conflicts because it won' t .

Whose speech was effective and helpful in that story ? 


Lots of important areas to consider in the real and quite profound threats to children, people, small minorities and free speech ( just to name a few ) .

CAUTION 
I would like to remind us that while the internet is new, the problems of libel slander, grooming, overlording, dominance and free speech, to name just a few critically important and even quite domestic issues are not new; for example ; in our homes and on the field.
 
IMO We best keep the caution and conservative ( been around a while) nature of the old problems and 'solutions" in mind before we think we can easily eliminate these old hornets' nests completely. We cannot IMO completely control speech (and would not want to ) but we can discipline, as our own houses do,  and as the 2 houses do;  discipline "the spelling out "of the issues; largely inhouse
As all Parliaments on these matters should know, new quick fix solutions on these extremely difficult matters can be worse than the old.
The temptation to use bigger hammers, that, I suggest, is all around us, is not going to work. We might all be jail tomorrow , according to law ! 

AI maybe at the heart of the current maladaptive responses 
The huge avalanche of canceling on Facebook this very week suggests the move to a thoroughly AI to remain a seriously incompetent driver of irrational blocking non solutions when values and paradox are involved. 
Remember the power you might attempt to wield if you try to control what humans can say

Libel slander grooming, and free speech 
I only want to deal with two just now. 
1, What existing principles of law can bolster and build our response to the real threats?
These are things that facebook with its extensive staff have inthe past been doing well . 

Any limits to the use of AI . All hosts are under great pressure,, I am not against  using AI but just to limit its power. 

AI  is useful and its use can increase,  but it should NOT take over because the final accountability should involve human values and judgement ( limited liability, punishment to fit the crime  for starters )   



2. What particular principles should be reinforced in new and adaptive legislation applying to net users, net hosts and complaints processing.
As an key author and administrator of hundreds of blogs for 30 years, I think reinforcing one old principle will keep us from falling more into the big hole  ( that of cancelling participants ) that is happening right now:  Complete cancelling .  
AI could even help in the hard work in digesting a passage, showing why its offensive and giving complaints and authors a good hearing about what particular things can or should be redacted.  This process could be inhouse and , like in Parliament particular authors could be   asked to retract paragraphs ( at least till the matter's resolved) 
The situation is ,  as at 27th August 2025  is serious because Facebook hosts are denying access to authors complete works ,
Common law would suggest hosts could be liable if they withdraw access completely to that work. Certainly the principle is worth fighting for . 

Hence
RECOMMENDATIONS 
A suggested alternative to forced processing by the host  (all words in draft form only ) 
Prioritize the self guiding principle
A   Host agents,  can in their initial agreement with authors ( esp group admins )
  get agreement that if someone objects to words used , the host agent or admin can be expected. after an agreed period of exposure of those words,  and those words only, can be automatically removed on written complaint by another author who is a person: but only after an agreed period ( based on ............) and a public trial ( complete with public publishing of an accusation.
No behind the scenes moves against authors !  


The discussion of what is at issue should THEREFORE  , as far as possible, be held on line and in public court  .Host agents would then not be obliged to monitor and act closely depending on the audience , Does this suffice to direct effective censure action to specifically unsafe sites ( say for children) within any big hosts world  (Host agency then HELP admins rather than focus on individuals?

This online court method avoids the host agency having to do much work and be seen as taking sides . As in real court, the trial summary will follow a good hearing in the public court , It is clearly not safe sound or any fun for host agencies to employ their own judges when public court of open robust conversations is the rule on the net and in real life ( could FBook become just a nice place to post pictures like tik tok ?)  ,Noone apart from a robot wants that judging job after the first day of doing it . 
Why not keep the best traditions , just as they operate in Parliament . Maybe there is a role for the host humans to act as the speaker does in Parliament ? Points of order can operate with an incourt audience  but everyone will leave the room if the noisy nonsense and pedantry aren't dealt with QUICKLY . 
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The idea of allowing host agents or even AI  to act as judge and jury is not always necessary Nor is it as efficient if we desire to preserve as best as possible house framing of everyone's right to speak freely and or be heard .


Hosts current temptation to deny a right of reply can often be dealt with by not getting involved at all OR  until the dispute is fully aired on the net .It happens quite efficiently on all my many sites .  Other readers,  in my experience,  will tell intruders to shut up and keep quiet if there ambition and gripe exceeds their helpful content ,
Hosts powers to adjudicate must be questioned when public court is our tradition -And it works . 

I have had a policy for 35 years of not cancelling anybody on my hundreds of sites . These sites are on  both facebook and blogs )They  are all designed to have a set agendas which mean calling for "off topic" stop talking  " is easy and effective   
When complaints arise,  I pester those who abuse the privilege of being heard ( mainly talk too much,  going off topic , repeat same old sameold  or cut and paste same old same old  -- and I ask them to take stuff down  , readers too soon call for sh removal so it happens with time and patience .  Anything to reduce anger is good but it cannot and should not be removed entirely, Adrenalin is normal and natural but only lasts a short time . Noradrenalin and other things can be expected to close us all down to find the rest we need from information overload. and the anger if we don't listen properly  
 
I have had to remove content (easy done and that act as admin slows em down) , If you confront the author that has never been a big deal ;  you can even make   friends on Facebook just by being straight with them. Annoying pests have energy to speak but their content is very limited and will be cutoff by a walkout or a dismissal from the field/room. 

This is the point :

1, Every person on the net must be a person. I don't believe anyone should publish with anon ( even institutions which should be fair game IMO) are required to identify the people involved.  
It does  not take much to verify that John Modra is a real person because he says so much and we  know where to find him. The government should encourage and support  all citizens to publish anything controversial in their own name wherever possible .
 John Modra's place on the net must be retained on the net because only that way can anyone keep him in line  That also goes for the rest of you. I am currently a non-person on Facebook despite a huge publishing volume on over 20 groups which i have authored and act as administrator on ,  .
You , not I at the moment can study some of them @Worthwatching, @Nerds in the Know ,@Wendsdownunder,  @Conservation that works.   Noone is told why i cannot be contacted on Facebook  where i used to have over 1000 friends that i cannot currently contact . 
 on other sites , I am the author of http://politicaceleste. blogspot.com  etc tec 


I would not have a life if I checked every post , as some sites still do , Checking initial posts is fine but time consuming and IMO just not worth it ".   Like the law often does . wait until someone breaks it and then hit em with it .
My point is that its a frustrating waste of time for the host to try and do it when full public exposure and court online will do it. 

Facebook in the past has done a good job and I am back a few times after certain items were checked Infact i have made new friends after a good fight on Facebook . 
The new practice of cancelling persons must stop. . The redacting of controversial paragraph's is fine , maybe with two or three witnesses if an admin has to get involved .  

2. In providing guidlines for hosts require them to notify automatically when a person =s body of work has been removed from the public arena , that will slow down the cuurent growth in cancelling 

3. AI  seems to be the reason many of us are having our  work remioved , Dont let Ai be the arbitor - it simply doesn;t know enough to make theses judgements 

 4. 
Open to your suggestions as this is a draft  .  
 

3.  What quick fix changes should we resist ?
We should resist the quick fix hammers , The ability to speak freely as we do in families and at the footy is critical to outing anger ( often the need to be heard )  and frustration . We need to make sure  people who get angry for not being listened to can protest freely as they should do in the bedroom , living room or the street. Otherwise someone is insisting that someone else just shuts up . Anger is a risky business but best dealt with by being open to it being expressed well and stopping it before it goes too far . 
Cancelling, gas lighting and self righteous excuses will grow into greater tyranny if we don't use precision in any decisions we make in this area.  
And it will never be a perfect balance. talk to Augusto Zimmerman .
Laws IMO , to be effective,  must be clear short and easily understood by everybody. 



The experienced computer bloke  said
-- language use controls have become a serious threat to many users with no explanations given in cases he has finally managed to resolve. Tik tok is apparently worse.   

--"A lot of the work is done by AI "which presumably means computers are now telling us what we  can and cannot say and we cannot hold them to account. Even Shakespeare would lose his head ? 


I think Parliament could do a lot to restore sense by
-- ensuring all participants can be identified as persons and in that way make the system accountable and self regulating.
- doing what FB did before and open it up , not close it down
--encouraging all authors ,groups and sites to do their own regulating.. 
- to advise all readers where their authors have gone when they get cancelled   
--to not get into a panic about this delicate matter
--not necessarily forcing host agencies to regulate BUT to insist groups do their own . 
- to not expect AI will resolve conflicts because it won' t .

When the law is liberating

 Because the post moderns,  like the prechristians, are into more laws and more governance, as a solution to everything,  let me make a list of some the new names for the rediscoveries of old burdens . 

1. Nannyism (Emperors who insist on parenting)   NIMBYISM  thy problem not my problem 
2. Cancelling , gaslighting , 
3. Post christain marxim where it pays the Criminal's bills because he was somehow disadvantaged
4. Any religion once there are steps up the pulpit  rather than down to kneeling for confession   
   
5. Any computer that is switched on and typed into with the subject --- the other 
   
6. Modern forms of self-righteousness ; any mind who sees how a mere law , if listened towould have stopped a disaster ..... and given ME credit  for being such a smart A .
7. Any teacher who has been persuaded to force change,, not inspire change> There are a  few in Council and the House right now 
   
8.  We could both go on .......
   Why don't you  list some NOW   you would have some examples
   
   One of the best things when simple laws are applied is that they are protective  A man over his family ; a leader over the team. 
    All Men ( includings XX's ) are prone to forgetting the responsibility and remembering only the rights of high office.
   
   The world,  instead of remembering the limits to laws and the liberty of love and laws of constraint and protection is in a rush to make more laws in the hope of limiting the landslides. Departments dedicated to moving the earth .
   
   ALBO ALLAN and BURKE are not alone in being lost in immoral and irresponsible reactive responses with clever sounding excuses - lets just  call it lying ,  Children do it when cornered . 
   Its true  that the law  ( from the Garden up) that says that you are responsible if you are charge is only true if you did not know what was going wrong,  
   
   If you, in charge , don't know what is wrong and you say you didn't know what is wrong , you still should resign that office because you took it as your oath /gift of office to know and to find out if you weren't sure. 
    The Law is not for pedants, ( and excusemakers as children quickly learn to try )  but only those who take the job of protection , finding out and responsibility very seriously; If you can't and don't check things,  you should leave. 
    The only excuse i know for "I don't remember" ( Nixon) or "
   I was not not briefed"  is that you didn't make time to know ( Romans 13:4) 

Ineffective anger management and Hypocrisy

The current epidemic of cancelling and gaslighting in the West  has its origin in the return of the overly simple feelings-based idea that "how you feel" is the only morality that matters.
According to now modern morality, anger is considered bad when clearly it cannot be.

Anger is not a sin, even though it can easily turn into it, " be angry but sin not "
True caring and correction for each other must involve something less shallow and distracting than cancelling and one up man ship.  
The current epidemic is therefore not a change in how many bad people there are, but a change in how people perceive badness.
The accuser is not only more evident now, but the self-righteousness quieter party in is often completely in the wrong because as said below, the fingers point both way because anger produces anger in both parties;

The hypocritical party thinks because they don't show anger in themselves, that it doesn't exist . 
The honest party is working on resolving what will otherwise fester. 


For example.
The now popular heresy that men or women who get angry are bad ,resists and prevents resolution. Compare the more effective venting of anger that was taught in the past.

The adoption, by the modern West of the old and eastern idea that to express anger is wrong , is causing suppression of it, Weigh it up to see if that process works and builds understanding and respect. 

According to now modern morality, anger is considered bad when clearly it cannot be - even if you don't believe in God, adrenalin performs a valuable function in challenging abuse and threats with words as well as action.    People need to speak their minds and risk getting accused of anger and even hate  ,
The old procedure outlined in the New Testament works because it anticipates the reality of short term adrenalin action , irrational words and how to forgive them ( before the sun goes down ) 

The Queensland Premier cancelling Pauline Hanson this week shows his confusion and hypocrisy. 
  Clearly he + Irwin are misleading the children on what is libel  because open confrontation on content of what you say  is OK .
The 8th commandment forbids the current epidemic of fires lit by NOT addressing the CONTENT but attacking THE PERSON. 

If the Premier doesn't admit he is wrong (on the content ), he can be judged .  

The Reactionaries know nothing about the Law

and by relying on their latest directive or law they show themselves INCOMPETENT as Household administrators. "Wait till your father gets home" is what works outside the kindergarten. The current Labor lot are as weak as water. Its been evident for decades. Instead of the old idea that law only works when you seek education and cooperation, Labor ministers draft daft pieces of pedantry to try to shut doors after the horses have bolted or just simply because they aren't used to making tough decisions. Premier Daniel Andrews was a classic perpetrator - and worse was not accountable to the law . These inexperienced bush lawyers know nothing about common sense , common sense law practice and common law.  

Minister Giles is not alone in hoping, like some Pharisees of old, that he can write a directive on how to make decisions  when its his job to make those decisions. And none of his colleagues has any idea or if they did,  they keep their mouths shut as you do in a dependent on playing on all sides nice little kindergarten state . 
The children in charge try to run everything in the pedants courts where mere word play is the game . This was always the Pharisees way and it only works if have control and you can cancel the guilty and get them executed ; silenced. 
The public are confused because of the snowing affect of all that paperwork. 
Short term gain long term pain . After all,  an appeal to a higher court ( incl the people and fair minded persons who insist on trial by testing in court )
 
Never in Australia's history have key value word lost so much reliability in their meaning. let alone the phrases in which they are put, Even astute bush lawyers in the medialike laura tingle forget that while racism is common,  and for groups  to have consititutions which are clearly racist it is not sound to ever to condemn racism as a sin  when it can just mean you prefer one cultural group over another ; or if you think women are commonly treated badly  that sexism couldn't be the term for the form of preferential treatment  they are offered by law,
Make u your minds ABC !  do you think freedom to think and speak is so low on the justice courts of this country that it is to be adjudicated by pedants who ARE OBLIGED  IN THEIR JUDGEMENTS to tick boxes .
Can no longer talk about the unfair treatment of one group?  Some of us are not children afraid to be offended by what others say about us.

Progressive theology is as shallow and ineffective as witch hunting

 The press have lined up with the dependants to make failures in the debt recovery system (ROBODEBT ) look like murder . And somehow someone , especially a former Prime Minister, who the press hate, apparently needs to be crucified .
After all justice. for the modern Progressive,  is not about paying your way , it  is about getting back at our tax and welfare agents and cutting the heads off the tall poppies in there ( using the idea that no one else is ever responsible or high enough to recieve  the same fate )
And pardon me for not condemning a Prime Minister who wanted the taxpayer to get value for money and all people treated fairly. any leader would do the same. 
Even the more reasonable Australian newspaper calls the failure one worthy of condemnation. With government incompetence it could have been any party that let its bureau be indifferent to the stress of a robotically driven process .
It is no joke to be told you owe someone money when you are unaware of that debt , so the enquiry is justified 
It does appear its the bureau that were not listening enough but most of us will wait and see . We have enough instant blame games to fill our weekend to ever watch these political blame game desperadoes who force their condemnations onto our screens. 


The high moral ground of those commentators who put the word ' unravel ' and "find "  and "shine a light " goes to the heart of their irrelevance as news service sand their new role and judge and jury services  .Yes the system should not have been so immune to feedback and reviews ; It is hard to find you genuinely owe the rest of us money you didn't earn .  A tough job  but someone has to do it , 

There is no injustice implied for the system? --was it was working well , The executive or the bureau  may be to blame . 

The incompetence could be any party apart from the Greens who would always  , it seems from their silence , favor giving the noisy needy what they want and think they deserve, 

This worship of commissions is a form of dumb diversion -so we are supposed to follow their NEW dumber that dumber logic that real courts are irrelevant and witch hunting  and commissariats , so dominant in the 17th century. is now the righteous prosecuting preoccupation of progressives.   

The coalition of dopey dreamers is about to hit the hard ground .

Its very hard to believe that in June 2023 a large majority of legislators in the Australian parliament just signed off on a sales document that wouldn't stand up in any court in the world.

Someone just signed our lives  away. 
If the sale goes through,  it will be the end of one of the world's most impressive constitutions . Ask AC Grayling who has just written two books on "Democracy in crisis " 

Is the man in this picture saying  " They are doing the right thing !"
What is the woman saying ?  

If we can't listen to our voices through two houses , how will a third one help ?

 





"Only a referendum", 
The recent referendum in Britain created what the majority of people in Britain did not want --Brexit . AC Grayling in "Democracy in Crisis " points out just how unreasonable and dangerous the process can become-   

You don't need to understand much to understand that saying YES or NO referendums are being used across the Western world to drive Trojan horses --instruments of actual madness that the people decide later they don't want .

None of us wanted Labor's last referendum which was to take power away from the States and Regions ; Like the present one, it was presented as very simple and simply , a good thing ;
1-playing fair = one vote one value 
2- giving of voice to those often unheard ( if only such a UTOPIA existed ask Sitch ) .
We saw that first  "lovely simple idea " then as a Trojan horse and we must now do the same because the current request is a power grab .
Many of our forefathers are shouting to us from their graves ,
"Beware;  the greatest evil is done in the name of the best intention " . The dreamers are so unaware of the danger and the evil they can't see it . 

"It will have no power" 
Remember, if you hear people comforted by the statement that it is "only advisory ", remind them what would happen in their own homes if they didn't listen closely to their partners advice ; divorce well and truly on the horizon 

You don't need to understand much to understand that the original 30 page Australian constitution was well understood when it went before the people . Its a great read and one of the best in the world IMO .

What is put before us in 2023 is something nobody seems to understand . Noone can tell you what the expected extra 3 -4 pages will say . We are expected ,by just saying YES that Greenlabor will be allowed to just fill in the blanks. Great ,but do you think we are stupid mate?

Only advisory

Any reasonable lawyer would tell you ( advise or instruct ??) to NEVER sign up to a construction where the unknown clauses on "composition , functions, powers and procedures " ( all there in black and white ) are yet to be written by the seller .

The same lawyer would tell you never to sign a marriage contract where you were forced to listen to someone else's advice . Advise and Instruct mean different things, but they can have the same power in English law   More here 

Andrews love affair with lawmaking

 
" when you break the great laws, you don't get liberty :you do not even get anarchy .you get the small laws." GKC 















Daniel Andrews won't be remembered, as say John Cain and  Joan Kirner will be , for concern about how best to use limited tax resources .He will be remembered for making us poor in mind and economic management.  

Andrew and his incompetents  think they have bigger things in mind than sound eco management .  The Andrews government do not have   any effectively driven passion for reinforcing productivity only to drive us to be  poorer ;  the Andrews  government has  made us poor.- really poor and with a really poor attitude to those that challenge them . Them and us . 

Naturally the law making of the Andrews government is pattern predictable because its based on control by them -and as such ...... it can't last . 
Andrews  string pullers have  made us pay big for their poor economic management , They, as this blog is focused on ,have made us poor by making small laws . Lots and lots of little laws they will now seek to prosecute in the pedantic lower courts and by finding ways around the courts by "fining ". 
These eminent trivializers have been practicing on us in their vain and incomplete attempts to manage a COVID outbreaks in 2020 .
They have done everything they can think of on a Monday morning to deal with the problem that arose from las weeks poorly thought through decision's.
The pack between the media and them could be described as a modern marriage .   ASS   Attention Seekers Syndicates .  
He's done it all ,as most tyrants do who dare to talk to the people do --by talking best intention . Really sound politicians  like Edmund Burke know the deeper reality -that the greatest evil is done in the aim of your own idea of what is a good idea .
And most reactionaries like Andrews don't have to think,  to know what they think - they just go in the opposite direction from more sound leaders. From those whom these unrepentant dills  have already condemned by contradicting  the 8th Commandment. 

In legislating recently to give children what they want ( Conversion Bill 2021) they have shown themselves ( as have the Liberals ) to be pathetic pushovers.

The hypocrites don't recognize that while they spend a lot on education , their education campaigns  based on projection, arrogance and fear are not going to work long term. 
Meanwhile our children are the poorer. 

   

The role of the people in their own Tyranny

 Its November 12th 2020 and Joe Biden appears to have just won the Presidency of the United States. 
You would think the people of the United States would be embarrassed  not just because the gospel of 51% doesn't work ......
 BUT that both candidates are so completely careless  with the words and ideas and their connections . 

God,  if anybody has his way here ,  and the American people get the government they deserve .
  If the West was  built on words and what they mean ( law) something is seriously wrong.

Clearly we can't expect the left to come up with answers as to why the outcome stinks. They don't think: they just add up ; add up numbers ; its the best and only thing they seem to be able to do when decisions are required ; If anything they want new numbers, some new maths , some new facts . Their religion prevents them from looking beyond what little they understand

Their search for concreteness ends with the first and last correlation they thought of . They are pedants , not men of practical principles

Those of us in the country know what's wrong .We are the real risk  takers not the new religiously risk averse .We see the red , the lifeblood red of injustice  ( the  "wages" of the dependents,  our slavery to provide  for them at lowest /our cost )  pouring all over  our countries .
 Our very own ABCTV would ever publish the red blue maps that have become the feature of this election in USA media 

Our ABC would never print the truth in this map  that because it would CLEARLY reveal  the reality that while the left complain of unfairness in Australia,  they have a effective majority in the cities  60%  )  so what is the lefts problem - well they dont know that clearly . 
The reactionaries are not in power at the moment  in Aust because they believe their own  bull-- own silly popular ( the tyranny of the popular) vanities like that COVID and climate change is heralding doomsday ( same as in USA ) 
  The  empty and blind reactionary left  have lost their  way and they don't even  know which way to go to find it , Its called repentance and it means turning full circle ad getting back to credibility ,consensus and basics.  Hard to see when you left it behind you and when you will join those you left again . 
This madness of the ageing reactionaries is seen all across Australia in the local government elections where people who have no real idea of how to work with people to get businesses going think they will do what Bill Shorten in all his glory could not do - do something about the climate  The very mention of cars batteries and windmills makes the country scream 

CONCLUSION 
A more reactionary moment in the USA is hard to imagine , ie we Aussies are a bit over "Climate change action" knowing it to be " just talk "  2050 is a long way away for C "neutrality" . COVID will go away 2 - somehow and as we can here predict some poly will claim credit 

A more tyrannical intellectual prison/crisis frame than "COVID and Climate change scares"  is hard to imagine . Another Stockholm Syndrome that will , as a "critical disaster",  as if by magic disappear like a bad dream with only some poly smiling at us to remind us of it and their "role  in solving it "  Wow bad dreams all around us 

And now Biden  thinks the same, 
We see the same esoteric nonsense from him about the need to wear masks and write more notes to the UN  . 
Every Labor leader prior to Shortens can See Biden has lost not only his mind  but his memory.
Any of us with half a brain can sees the crises as self created creations and redemptions - expensive strawmen ,toys tokens and sus miracles  related to fake and false dichotomies .  

Biden even if he gets his way ( he probably doesn't even know his own mind?) , it won't matter. He is a puppet for others . 

THE TYRANNY COMPONENTS   ( some of ) 

The left reactionaries who see only the law and the ONLY perceived route to progress - stronger law  
A crisis to gain the neccesary coopertaion from people to comply 
Public propaganda to convince the people about the enemy 
Fanaticism - because the power gained from  a crisis can't last 
Big picture Reality avoidance therapy,  No talk about the real enemy/ problem  ( the powerful and the peoples false vision of he problem and its solution ) 

The question is how long can the Democrat's and the reactionary left fanaticism about CC and COVID last ----

Answer-- not long . The important point for freethinking people esp young people  IS  to be ready to rebuild democrary to be fair.  reestablishing representation for the poor, the  matrgial and productive ( see map of country areas for eg ) 


 am sure Jesus and the people of his time didn't think the petty rule makers would ever go away completely, but they did lose power  for a few centuries  in our own countries  .
 I  just pray our children will see again the  great freedom we have enjoyed by telling the virus prone petty pedant  class  to go away - to see the consequences of their self righteous roundups; 

1. In envisaging their skills as god like when they are not only incompetent, but proud ignorant and arrogant about whatever knowledge they do have 
2. In fighting battles that they can't win and shouldn't even try 
3. in fighting battles they have contrived to win cause they created them ( Stockholm syndrome)
4. in forgetting that men are made in the image of God  - not mere automatons Any compliance likely to fail with time spent under their wise counsel about risks they know nothing about 
5. in forgetteing that short term gain is the frame is which compliance in a crisis is  created 
6.  in work not done that needs doing, and
7.  Hearts no longer motivated to give /work  because they  were once  free to choose what they do
8. Guilt and confusion for what gain ? Where is the concern for productivity and freedom to contribute  ?
9. Expensive unproductive attempts at education via medai advertising 
10. Expensive unproductive  attempts a bribery to make people do what you want them to do . egg Not sing or go outside  ( all real COVID stuff in Victoria 2020)  )
    We will be singing carols at our church   we believe in free speech and free singing 

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Dickens divine stuff

See you have forgotten already!!
"The circumlocution office "   ( seeBBC DVD series of Little Dorrit)

in 2019 we are again overwhelmed by the petty pedants . Somehow the West has lost its freedom .
And we don't know why




Chesterton tells us why in his biography of Dickens
." when you break the great laws, you don't get liberty :you do not even get anarchy .you get the small laws."


Maybe your crowd is just too  high brow for us? 
Maybe YOU

1. see your self as too progressive for that old stuff . 
2. think realism is the go and Dickens exaggeration is not helpful
3.  avoid the dark side ---  even if you don't admit it 
4. haven't resolved to recognize your own intellectual limitations .
   
   Much of this is covered in Dickens in a storytelling way .
   As GK Chesterton
   reminds us for our now repeat performance from the petty pedants and working dog in the series UTOPIA  - there is disease out there and its not just mind --it involves mind body and soul
   Join us at Middle earth mind readers ( Facebook page )
   

Dealing with Misbehavior

Oh yeah ! Not you too . Seems all we grown ups are now experts. Oh yeah  Nuh!
The children are still in charge and its time for confession . None of us know how to deal with some of the most serious bits of bad  behavior around . Even our Creator ( if you acknowledge the One proclaimed in the good book) recognizes there are limits to Almighty Power  when giving us our autonomy.  
Sins are sins according to the good book so we won't dwell on whats worse - just as the good book doesn't .
 The 10 commandments are a good example of good laws : They are more proactive and not as  prescriptive as most reactive modern pedants would produce  them . Read Luther's  explanation of them if you don't believe me .

SENATE - "Please let the government govern --is my advice "The Reps , unlike you,  will probably  pay for their mistakes .
So what advice can we give our senators especially those who waver ( see Neiman) and thereby get confused . When the brief history of current 18C and legislation like it , has proved to do more harm than good . including making people worry about when and where they might be prosecuted . Do you own research - here and overseas ,not counter-intuitive its reactive in the worst sense that it ignores the history of OUR ideas in law ( like common law . presumption of innocence , proscetion of assault - verbal and other being helpful,etc you name it  )

Of course WE should change legislation which doesn't DO what it is intended to do  . The name of the crimes in any legislation are critical as are the Means of dealing with them .
You only have to think of how Voltaire and just about every freethinker since Adam would support the removal of the words "offend ,insult, humiliate "entirely as we are guilty weekly in some hearers view, As yourself who wrote the original legislation and whether they knew what they were doing? 
If you are senate like enough to think prosecuting it in court will stop what happens at home , you only have to think of Alan Bonds big smile when he said " Go see my lawyers" 
We are only ever a free country while the Government stop trying to playing our parent.

 How many times does some smart arsed ignorant politician or group get their way with a few of their inadequate words only to find their chosen words do little but create more lumbering logomachy and laws to beat us (and the free speaking honest poor ) up with . Where is that "Lesslaws Party" when we need em?.

  How many times does some smart arsed ignorant politician or group get their way with a few of their inadequate words only to find their chosen words do little but create more lumbering logomachy and laws to beat us (and the free speaking honest poor ) up with . Where is that "Lesslaws Party" when we need em?.

 I am not saying that careless words about a person isn't very serious- the 9th commandment is there for a reason and is like unto 1st 2nd and 3rd. BUT even Leviticus is only 34 pages long and like most of those books has some really positive logic for the minimum numbers of laws in them.Yes our words can be as a bad as anything we do . Our thoughts too can as bad as anything we say .
Mere laws at the end of the chain won't bring whats needed - inspiration education and discipline 

And what a mockery of true democracy are those Senators who are there , not to express the will of the people and the wisdom of the ages - but to insist on making their own words carry them into history.


FINALLY

 Laws are not eternal - That's the whole idea of Reps being there -to correct unjust use of law and limit the number of frightened Leek admirers and tip toeing honest confronting good people in the country.

Tell me there aren't millions of us huddling in the corner waiting for the next edict from the tyrannical cult of toxic sentimentalists.

"Please let the government govern --is my advice "That's what the people expect

What a better more livable country you might just make it if YOU play YOUR proper part in it .

We don't wanna go back to being Pharisees --- but we are

"We should never have had a bill of human rights in Canada. That was an import of French Civil Law over top of English Common Law, and it was a mistake. In English Common Law, you have all the rights there are except those that are expressly forbidden by law. In the French system, you enumerate people's rights – that makes it look like rights are granted to you by the government, and that's not true." --Jordan Peterson

Those who liberty is in the law

Holding a balance for freedom takes tension.   Source  :http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/the-same-sex-marriage-debate-and-the-right-to-religious-belief/story-e6frg74x-1227437429587?sv=25ecd88e85cf37c7153b6d6067ef22a8

What if the law was all based on a principle and value - equality . It would get lots of support ( being simple ), easy to understand  but ruthless in its devastation of another valued trait in nature - diversity.  20th century tyrants and the logic they used with the people demonstrate so.

Our own press have , like Orwell finally noted the shallowness of the game going on in their territory ,
"The Australian parliament should not legislate the right to same-sex marriage on the altar of denying institutions and individuals the right to their conscience."

Why are our leaders about to do?

"If the Australian parliament intends to create a legal regime with this consequence then the law-makers must justify this to the ­people and explain how such ­calculated intolerance leads to a better society. The legalisation of same-sex marriage means the laws of the state and the laws of the church will be in conflict over the meaning of the most important institution in society. This conflict between the civil and religious meaning of marriage will probably be untenable and marked by litigation, attempts to use anti-discrimination law and entrenched bitterness. But an effort ought to be made to make it tenable on the basis of mutual tolerance."

Does anyone know what the action is all for ?

"Is it merely to allow gays to marry? Or is its ultimate purpose to impose “marriage equality” across the entire society, civil and religious. Ideologies do not normally stop at the halfway mark. Is “marriage equality”, as designed and evolving by its advocates, an ideology that can live with two different concepts of marriage, civil and religious? The Amici brief makes clear that limiting religious exemptions to just pastors performing wedding ceremonies is completely inadequate. There is a wide range of other issues to be considered. Must religious colleges provide married housing to same-sex couples? Must churches and synagogues employ spouses in same-sex marriages even though this flouts their religious teaching? Must religious social-service agencies place children for adoption with same-sex couples?

Will religious institutions be penalised by losing government contracts, tax exemptions and access to public facilities? Will religious institutions and schools be penalised if they teach their own beliefs about marriage, thereby contradicting the state’s view of marriage? Or will the state laws via anti-discrimination legislation be mobilised to force the state’s view on to religious institutions?"

What of the provision of ser­vices?
" In much of the US a gay publicist can refuse to provide services for an anti-gay event. That is acceptable under the law. Can a person decline to provide services for a gay marriage, not because the person discriminates against gays but because they see the marriage as a religious event and therefore it defies their religious beliefs? The Amici brief argues that it is essential to distinguish the two relationships — protecting the right of same-sex couples to civil marriage and protecting religious actors’ right to uphold their view of religious marriage.

The US Supreme Court decision in Obergefell v Hodges is flawed for two reasons. First, as Chief Justice John Roberts said in dissent: “The court is not a legislator. Whether same-sex marriage is a good idea should be of no concern to us. Under the Constitution, judges have power to say what the law is, not what it should be.”

This decision is an arrogant denial of US democracy and law-making even though it follows a US tradition of law creation by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court pre-empted the process by which state legislature after state legislature was voting on same-sex marriage."

"As Tim Wilson knows, this is not the way to proceed. It only guarantees institutional division and rancour. The core question remains: what is the real ideological objective of the same-sex marriage campaign?"

Magna Carta

1. When someone stuffs up tell them . Do it in a clear way and focus on important errors  and how to fix em .
2. If the person is in authority and might call for ye head ,write him a letter
3 If you have to sign it , get some friends to do same


http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/sundayextra/bluffers-guide-to-magna-carta/6524494

Love this well done Radio National Australia

Shallow and sentimental - we did ONCE know that verbal assault is a very dangerous precursor to violence

Shallow and sentimental  - we did once know that  verbal assault is a very dangerous precursor to violence . We did once know that written incitement to violence was even more dangerous . We did once know that the danger increases because of collective logic agreement ,; because collective faith logic draws more people in and provides quite reasonable people with temptation to participate in bad behavior -to join with others in a chorus - to motivate and keep motivating an action .First  way to tackle such violence is to accept this collective chain and not be distracted by a more sus logic about extremism and madness.in individuals .

While it may please the TV audience, the above two realities and focus makes those who hate us hate us even more - when we react carelessly we show ourselves to be stupid and shallow.  Sometimes the problem is best understood by understanding  the audience reaction first -esp if we are to stop it happening again.

Far from being ahead of the issues , those who forget the basis of western concepts of responsibility and respect for individual turn the response to increasing social disorder into a shallow reactionary game .
The system did not adequately deal with this issue but that's not just media or police - it runs much much deeper.  
We need "all tools " is rubbish ;  we need appropriate tools    Picture chooks running in all directions 
"suite of measures" is OK  BUT its  one of the excuses used by intellectual idiots in charge who don't know which ones work . Idiots who could advocate the idea of monitoring bad people  or just locking them up .Idiots who love making lists and waste our time collecting them .

Even  our best reporters play the game( or lose the opportunity to stand in the TV's silly frame- something they can avoid by doing their proper job of letting other people say silly things) .
And its a very serious game because it lacks the patient logic of the past and insists in imposing itself on some present problem'   ( A shooting of innocent people by a mad gunman )
It can be and is so careless that the cure can be worse that the disease - the tyranny more permanent than the particular problem . Was  the solution  a solution ( the assumption that suddenly because we are so clever, we can deal with human behavior with the stroke of a pen )  They focus only on outcomes and seek  to use western law in a way it its never been used before .   The media machine being so powerful that parliamentarians are presumably afraid to properly debate laws that seem to already have common assent - common sentiment perhaps,  but  not the common sense we need from them
T Dalrymple and others like authors of Telecom 2000 social report have rightly pointed all this out.

ABCTV,  like all the cloned victims of the ideal of popular wisdom/simplicity /stupidity  are again calling for more monitoring of mad men . The Authorities  have advised that Man Haron Monis was NOT  on their watchlist because he "did not have a history of violence ". This shallowness goes to the heart our corporate stupidity on the subject.

We deny violence until it kills;  or comes bloody.  Our society is in denial of the violence inside .( depression students know this but few others do or speak up on it ) There is violence inside us all  but we are no longer dealing with it as our forebears did . We see anger as sin and try to sit on it ( leads to worse things bursting forth ) We do not "be angry" as encouraged  with sin but sin not ourselves .Some even accuse God of sinning by being angry , and therefore put themselves as  righteous by trying not to show anger themselves .  Too clever for their own good .We think we are progressing when our thinking is regressing .

Some faiths deal with Anger;  other faiths seem to only promote it,  or leave it unresolved .  The temptation  to move from anger to verbal to physical is real within us all .The apostle Paul  set the scenes  by repeating the mindset  we need 3 times and in 3 different ways towards the end of  Romans 12. If only our citizens would practice it and learn to know that,  impossible as it may sound,  it actually works.

Thankfully our laws are not so shallow , Verbal abuse is considered as dangerous as physical abuse and is rightly prosecuted the same . A faith system that prescribes violence is going to prompt real violence , Anger not confronted , as with Julian Knights and many" lone wolves " can lead to killing and disrespect for the sentimental superficiality of the audience ( who get shot ) The lone wolf is  a dumb myth --------there are whole hoards of them ready to go and ..... ready to stop .... by listening to them .  Few are listening to them and we need to listen to those in our locality. yes  I know a few 
We should  know all this if we dare think about it ; we have families .

Leaders PLEASE  help us to think about ANGER again so we are alert but not alarmed ; that we allow open anger and protest knowing that its in free open dialogue and listening ( which  most people are not doing when a terrorist speaks ; which most guardian media priests think would be too much for THEIR audience -( ignoring their obligation to report the facts )not too see - patronising bullshit 

Left left with nothing but Laws

Maxine McKew and others on the drum  tonight symbolize the fanaticism and desperate cul de sac mentality of trying to rule by laws alone . Too much "talk tough" talk with some "bad group" shifts the context ( need for toughness all over ).

Maxine , typical of this generation of deniers (think that OTHER men need more rules, not a saviour ) uses the nice word "protocol " while the chorus of "tough " talk rattles around in their cage; more like some carcass hunting noisy  bird rather than some animal of true threat and substance ( the lion ) on the ground.Our society was built on the idea of a saviour who helps you budget well  , not the stupid Labor  saviour who just carelessly pays the bills.
Thedrum ,while a great show , needs to have more genuine experts on it - otherwise it will be treated as it often treats itself ----carrion speculation over the entrails .
The "Spectators" treatment of the AWB scandal was so simplistic as to be plain scandalous . OK mate if you are going to talk across everyone -get it right and don't be like everyone else -trite ;Agriculture and environment is a ' special case " a bit of diversity in your myopia. Why market the grand simplicities that don't work .Friedman got the noble prize but Galbraith was the real brains behind growth in a difficult climate - the people want the sort of growth that is unsustainable - we in the country avoid it naturally because we have knowledge , not ust talk of sustainability .
  If Scott's?  paper is just another drone preaching " 2legs bad, market good " we clearly don't need to read it .

Its all about me politicians

Can't even focus on the effect of supporting legislation to include gays in the Marriage Act
My point is that the history of the best of western ( Christian ) culture is to make an absolutely minimum number of laws to regulate people's choices - for when children are involved and NEED protection .The russians can see it but we can't.
Penny Wong completely misses THIS critical point . I struggle to understand why thinking people and her own party take her seriously. She doesn't even get close to properly considering the critical need for civil marriage in most cultures and most of history .

To quote her 

" To suggest that marriage should be defined only by reference to children would mean marriages in which someone is infertile would not be allowed.Marriages where the couple did not want to have a family wouldn’t be allowed.Marriages where the couple were too old to have children wouldn’t be allowed".

 To me it all seems to be about "what I want " not about "what the law is for ".
I have listened enough to her before to just " switch off "completely .I will do it again.Our kids deserve better

Heaven help us

Heaven help us when we need the police to tell us whether we are doing the wrong thing. Can we expect the police and the growing nanny state to provide us final verdicts on more and more things? If we ask for it , maybe we will get it ?
The PM's  press agent is said to have not committed " a crime "after a group stormed a private meeting following his advice on a high level public meeting whereabouts on Australia day . Whether the advisor did anything wrong has not been established . Whether Tony Hodges did anything wrong should be the focus , both for his benefit and for limiting this growing reliance on outsiders for evaluating the moral economy.
Our system of justice means the man himself should speak and be heard,  not the police and the political implications of a non trial and a political proclamation of "there is nothing to answer ' Always better to clear the air - it saves the courts being clogged up with crap that could and should have been sorted out earlier.

Two Prime Ministers - 2 parliaments

If nothing else , the situation in Papua New Guinea today  should remind the world that just having the parliamentary process doesn't mean it will work ( both parties in this poor country believe in it ) . That seriously dangerous  myth that Form is content has caused the 1st world to invest heavily in free elections in the 3rd World when any sound engagement with another country MUST face the fact that if the people aren't already sharing and developing their wealth : no amount of ballots will help them achieve that .( How effectively do the leadership represent both rich and poor ?)
(If the press could kill the quickfix myth that drives such stupidity before it gets a life of its own the world would be a different place) . Even progress brings hope so nothing is impossible here .
Greenlabor here in Australia are dumb enough to let our sequestered carbon burn or rot ( Bush fires in the last decade ) rather than face  up to the sound foreign policy fact that schools can be built , and issues of development pushed , with timber  NOW left to rot in eastern Victoria

If 1% of the money that has been spent on trying to set up a process of democratization by the West in the last 2 decades  had been spent on education and engagement on the above matters - amazing what is possible .
This problem of accepting mere perception  is not going to go away and its going to cost the west big in instability due to the waste of investment  . If leaders of poor countries do not address inequalities in their own country  and find ways to grow them ( with help of outsiders ) hope inside the country is denied ( the issue here and in many places)  .The  Big man politics of old never worked --but what's the alternative / Why is big man politics now so common and threatening ?
The answer is quite simple - because the philosophy which set up schools and hospitals and basic care for the poorest people in a country has been abandoned . The missionaries had it right and its time for non believers to dig a lot deeper,  before they , like the USA go and spend their future on trying to impose democracy on some poor country ( like Iran ) because "its meant to work "( techniques that have god power? )

I am not suggesting that helping the poor  is simple . Infact Christians and other market advocates still have a long way to go to understand why Islam is more popular in their rural areas ,,, and THEN what they can about it ( my point is that poverty is perpetuated by simplicity stricken philosophies of governance  as much as it is by a scarcity of  resources. The singlemindedness that has made  secondary industry so successful in the West  is far too simplistic to be the main model in relation to earth care issues ).
All intervention must also recognise how things like rural poverty ,and the means to avoid it,  are being ignored by those whose quick fix is the successful models of western development;( majority of people in the West ???)  which simply do not work in the very sensitive but uniquely resilient world of  agriculture and environment.

Too clever for words

Albanese is so out of touch he celebrates the AMOUNT OF LEGISLATION the Feds  have passed this year . Its not parenting and governance - it groping around in the dark . Its the sort of distorted desperation of a parent who comes home after years of disengagement , to set rules on everything.   Worse for our culture, which is built on a specific balance between liberty and law,on set big picture rules that have worked for centuries to ones where   its overload from petty paper warfare , petty crime crap and legal leggings for everyone. Transport us to Tasmania please!

Greenlabor doesn't understand that  if you don't respect the intelligence of the people,  the thinking ones will ignore you .Modern governments should celebrate the condensation of legislation - the downsizing of documents and guidlines and the reinforcement of good olde methods . All sound Public Servants  know that pollies ignore the great value of the olde for their new stuff , making  2 or 3 term parties a danger to themseleves,  a potential laughingstock when they talk of their focus on governance.

Psychologists would say the god people may well have  got a disease called denial  and projection;  The result of having this disease is that you pretend you have power you don't  ( knowledge is power for a start) - let alone the fact that you won't be at all effective because half hearted efforts just waste taxes - big time ; The bigger the problem , the bigger the waste.
Preoccupation with raw power  ignores the fact that the main  effective way to build prevention strategies in the face of risk is to  build self  respect and self understanding by ditching slogans and encouraging specific education based on a respect for freedom  and a minimum  of laws . Many animals do it better than us !

Having just rested from hugging celebrations over how they have modelled the method  to change the atmosphere by "putting a price on one loose part of it " They have started bribing kids to be well behaved at school . The new clothes look good to them,   but those who can stand back can see through them ( Clearly a price on C  is poorly targeted  and will just hurt us and do nothing about Co2 levels)

The gods in charge NOW also think they can tell The States how to manage their water . The MDC can't even define an environmental flow ( its a critical consideration ) , let alone explain it to those it will affect .
 Having discovered the new techno fix of price controls,  the dummies want to offer bribes to get kids to behave well at school when the price controls on water ( imposed by some States ) just made some brokers rich and some farmers broke . Economic pigmys ?
The gods don't dare take off water restrictions lest they lose control of common sense,( as if they have it) ; they don't confess they've already been sleeping while their ignorant and  fearprone collegues  wasted zillions on desal. We are not short of water - but they haven't worked that out yet .
Ask any good teacher ( not pollies ) and they will tell you : Sometime the problems we see with children are  really a problem generated by the parents , or those who think themselves nannies. God only knows the damage we do by thinking we know .
 The nannies will wet themselves if they ever see how little they really see.

When someone threatens you - is their action wrong ?

Doesn't it depend on whose in the chair at the time ?


Clearly not , but postmodern  principles are watering down our capacity to deal with each other , anger and failure to listen and act responsibly response -like ( I play awe-fully deaf when i get in my chair at night)